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Is that always true?

med_cat: (cat in dress)

(Things native English speakers know, but don't know we know, from MattAndersonBBC:

adjectives in English absolutely have to be in this order: opinion-size-age-shape-colour-origin-material-purpose Noun.
So you can have a lovely little old rectangular green French silver whittling knife.
But if you mess with that word order in the slightest you'll sound like a maniac.
It's an odd thing that every English speaker uses that list, but almost none of us could write it out.
And as size comes before colour, green great dragons can't exist.)



...those of you who are more serious writers and/or editors than I am, is that always the case? :)

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Nov. 6th, 2016 04:06 pm (UTC)
This was immediately debunked in the linguistics community as childish nonsense: Big Bad Wolf.
med_cat: (Default)
Nov. 6th, 2016 07:54 pm (UTC)
Ah, thanks!
Nov. 7th, 2016 12:12 am (UTC)
I would not say it was debunked. It was discussed. (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=27890).

Here is a thesis in more depth:

http://repository.cmu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1185&context=hsshonors
med_cat: (SH education never ends)
Nov. 7th, 2016 09:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the more detailed info!
debriswoman: (cat and mouse)
Nov. 6th, 2016 05:36 pm (UTC)
There certainly seems to be an order to descriptions which sounds odd if altered, but not always the same order...little lovely lamb sounds as odd as bad big wolf...

Fascinating.
med_cat: (Blue writing)
Nov. 6th, 2016 07:55 pm (UTC)
Agreed :) It seemed rather suspect to me that the order was so fixed, according to this person...
Nov. 8th, 2016 02:08 am (UTC)
It's not just according to that person. It's also according to the Chicago Manual of Style (http://blog.esllibrary.com/2013/03/07/adjective-order-and-punctuation/), which is commonly regarded as the 'gold standard' of usage, at least in America. The Cambridge Dictionary (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/adjectives-order) and the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/ask_about_english/080624/) agree.
med_cat: (SH education never ends)
Nov. 8th, 2016 02:14 am (UTC)
Thank you for the additional references :)
Nov. 7th, 2016 05:48 am (UTC)
Even as a native speaker I often find myself rewording sentences to get the word order right! Thanks for posting this, I was wondering where I'd seen it.
med_cat: (Blue writing)
Nov. 7th, 2016 09:40 pm (UTC)
You're most welcome! But as you can see in the comments above, the order isn't quite that rigid ;)
Nov. 8th, 2016 01:55 am (UTC)
It's not always the case - there are exceptions - but yes, it is a long-established, well-documented general rule.

'Big Bad Wolf' is more-or-less a proper noun, which is why it's usually capitalized. It's the Big Bad Wolf, not just 'a' wolf who's both bad and big (or vice versa.)
med_cat: (Default)
Nov. 8th, 2016 02:14 am (UTC)
Thanks!